tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-168458041332941999.post5903119145883142287..comments2023-10-17T06:59:53.759-04:00Comments on No Cookies For Me: Monty: Feminism Meets Animal Rights -or- On Personal Criticism...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-168458041332941999.post-59315486801767092662007-09-09T08:58:00.000-04:002007-09-09T08:58:00.000-04:00I think you've given the issue some good thought a...I think you've given the issue some good thought and brought up some important points. Thank you for thinking about it and for taking the time to write about it.Elaine Vigneaulthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02678177594055407926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-168458041332941999.post-6730158926466051772007-09-07T17:53:00.000-04:002007-09-07T17:53:00.000-04:00N1nj4G1rl,That statement also reflects the struggl...N1nj4G1rl,<BR/><BR/>That statement also reflects the struggle between a person and their behaviors I talked about.<BR/><BR/>I don't completely dismiss people's intentions, but I put more weight on behaviors. Intentions are thoughts, and I have no clue what you're thinking, so what can I do about it? (And even if I could do something about it, I wouldn't because that would be infringing on Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-168458041332941999.post-27670676371437017002007-09-07T17:34:00.000-04:002007-09-07T17:34:00.000-04:00"And even though I don't intend any offense, that ..."And even though I don't intend any offense, that doesn't mean I'm not being offensive."<BR/><BR/>I think that quote summarizes what a lot of issues in discussions like this. Often people simply aren't willing to believe that what they said could be offensive simply because they didn't mean it that way. So when someone gets called out on it, explanation after explanation comes forth about how it kitied12https://www.blogger.com/profile/17326124053604447293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-168458041332941999.post-84882249450177206042007-09-07T15:51:00.000-04:002007-09-07T15:51:00.000-04:00Jaclyn: Oh, absolutely. I know, from my own experi...Jaclyn: Oh, absolutely. I know, from my own experience, that it doesn't necessarily matter how many people say "Great job!" when you've got people saying "You suck!" It only takes a couple of people being critical to drown out the voices of the people that are being supportive. Then again, I think that, at some point, we, as bloggers, have to figure out how to accept criticism or questions <I>as<Rex Libris https://www.blogger.com/profile/13666188771524753584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-168458041332941999.post-90983670239793025972007-09-07T15:25:00.000-04:002007-09-07T15:25:00.000-04:00There's also discussion about the personal/politic...There's also discussion about the personal/politicial question in the fat-acceptance community right now. See posts and comments at <A HREF="http://kateharding.net" REL="nofollow">Shapely Prose</A>, <A HREF="http://eilatan.net/?p=20" REL="nofollow">Not a Pretty Girl</A>, and <A HREF="http://www.therotund.com/" REL="nofollow">The Rotund</A>.<BR/><BR/>Kate Harding argues that she's "talking about Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-168458041332941999.post-63535985183355906772007-09-07T14:35:00.000-04:002007-09-07T14:35:00.000-04:00Gray areas. Racialicious recently asked about the ...Gray areas. Racialicious recently asked about the differences between feminism and anti-racism and I said I liked Beverly Tatum's illustration of different degrees. You're not sexist if you're not feminist because there are obviously gray areas. You're either walking on a moving walkway, standing still, or walking backwards on the walkway in the opposite direction of the walkway. Most people are donna darkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17419527183363046513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-168458041332941999.post-25598825420076754142007-09-07T12:37:00.000-04:002007-09-07T12:37:00.000-04:00"Is there some way that we can try to raise questi..."Is there some way that we can try to raise questions about each others behaviors, and respond to those criticisms in a way that doesn’t feel quite as… I don't know… antagonistic?"<BR/><BR/>In what way do mean antagonistic? <BR/><BR/>Some people feel that any sort of questioning of behaviors or beliefs is inherently antagonistic. This is when you get the response "Hey now, everyone's entitled Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-168458041332941999.post-53024096125302903862007-09-07T11:20:00.000-04:002007-09-07T11:20:00.000-04:00I think you're right on with almost everything you...I think you're right on with almost everything you're saying here, Roy, though I haven't followed the whole thing, only some of it from a post zuzu made on Feministe. <BR/><BR/>And, though I have absolutely no blog power at all, I think I can see that jaclyn is making a great point here--I'm thinking back to some comments on feministing when Jessica first showed the cover of her book and there Jeff Pollethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13789663140920958914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-168458041332941999.post-47180796934929030892007-09-07T10:24:00.000-04:002007-09-07T10:24:00.000-04:00On a side issue, I can't let the "slavery/Slavery"...On a side issue, I can't let the "slavery/Slavery" issue go without mentioning that there are still Slaves today. Many thousands (millions) of actual human slaves, doing sex work and other manual labor all over the world, including in this country. Right now. <BR/><BR/>More info <A HREF="http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/" REL="nofollow">here</A> and <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaclynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16545789903936561010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-168458041332941999.post-90978073477325821182007-09-07T10:19:00.000-04:002007-09-07T10:19:00.000-04:00I'm glad you're talking about the meta question of...I'm glad you're talking about the meta question of how we talk with each other.<BR/><BR/>There's so much going on in these interactions. We need to remember that bloggers are people too: that is, they can be insecure and flawed, they're inclined to stand up for their friends, etc. They're also in no way immune from the phenomenon where criticism sounds so much louder than praise. <BR/><BR/>What IJaclynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16545789903936561010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-168458041332941999.post-5301082612678716282007-09-07T03:32:00.000-04:002007-09-07T03:32:00.000-04:00Animals are not people so they can't be slaves. Bu...Animals are not people so they can't be slaves. But animal breeding is bad so she should have just said sorry I'm not perfect and left it at that. <BR/><BR/>You'd take friends over bloggers you read? Wah! <BR/><BR/>J/Kdonna darkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17419527183363046513noreply@blogger.com