Saturday, December 15, 2007

Mangina? Is that supposed to be clever?

I just wanted to share some of the ol' mailbag. On my post about the anti-Semites beating someone up for saying "Happy Hanukkah" an anonymous poster replied:

hey Mr Mangina, so what was it that made you become such a misandrist? don't blame all men for uncle bob making you touch his wee wee all those times.


I've deleted the comment, but I wanted to share. I deleted the comment because:
1. It was completely off topic. The topic of the post was about religious intolerence and Christmas.
2. It was nothing but a personal insult.

If you've got something on-topic and of substance to say, by all means, tell me what you disagree with me about. But, if your only intent is to personally insult me, do it on your own space, not mine. I don't blame all men for anything. I do blame assholes for being assholes, though.

13 comments:

Cara said...

Ooooh! I get it! See, you're a MAN, but he said that you have a VAGINA. And vaginas are icky and bad and belong to women. And men shouldn't want anything that belong to women, because women are icky and bad! Wow, there's so much packed into that one little statement. I don't know if you want to mess with this guy, Roy, what with his razor sharp wit and all. If you're not careful, he might ask you what size BRA you wear (get it??? because women wear bras! ha! ha! haha!).

The Snobographer said...

Some more obvious examples of the myriad ways in which this guy sucks:

1. Use of homophobic, misogynist term "mangina."
2. Unoriginal and hate-filled sense of "humor."
3. Uninformed; Equates feminism with misandry.
4. Believes child sex abuse is humorous.
6. Believes child sex abuse is something that survivors should be shamed for.

Pai said...

I've found it's extremely rare to find any MRA-type of guy who is capable of having any kind of debate about feminism without resorting to juvenile personal attacks.

I mean, I'm sure there are anti-feminists out there that aren't just bigoted morons that can't do better than troll, but the vast majority seem to be.

schrödinger's cat said...

So being against some brand of idiocy associated with masculinity makes you a misandrist? Speaking out against cretins means speaking out against all men, ever? Was that the troll shooting itself in its own foot, or am I mistaken?

Anonymous said...

haha here is a definition of a mangina;

Sometimes referred to as pro-feminist, sell-out or traitor, this pathetic excuse would rather ruin his fellow man’s lives with falsehoods and misinformation.

Often spawned from feminist mothers and raised alongside ‘empowered’ females, the Mangina will often sell his soul in order to attain one-night stands.

In other cases, the Mangina will suffer from a deep self-loathing, which manifests itself into campaigning for all things that will hinder his ‘oppressive’ gender.

The Mangina is not a friend of the Men’s Movement and must be treated with contempt at all times.

Example:

Sue: My husband received a 1st in his thesis yesterday.

Gina: What was the subject?

Sue: A Feminist Perspective on Patriarchal Western Civilization: The Role of The Trans-gendered ‘Other’ in a Male-Dominated Environment.

Gina: Mangina Studies then.

Sue: Yes.

Roy said...

Anonymous, I repeat:
If you've got something on-topic and of substance to say, by all means, tell me what you disagree with me about. But, if your only intent is to personally insult me, do it on your own space, not mine. I don't blame all men for anything. I do blame assholes for being assholes, though.

If you can show me where I've blamed all men for anything or you disagree with something specific, address it. Otherwise, you're just being an asshole, and, yeah, I do blame you for being one.

None of us were remotely confused about what you meant by "mangina". Our point wasn't one of interest or confusion, but, rather, of derision.

this pathetic excuse would rather ruin his fellow man’s lives with falsehoods and misinformation.

Unlike people like you, who try to ruin your fellow man's lives- and all people's lives- by being hateful, ignorant assholes. If I'm factually inaccurate about something, I'm more than happy to talk about it and learn why. It's obvious that you're not actually interested in the issues, though, or you'd be discussing them. Instead, you're just here to name-call.

The Mangina is not a friend of the Men’s Movement and must be treated with contempt at all times.

I'm a friend to any person who is honestly attempting to end discrimination and inequality. I've admitted on more than one occaision that I think that there are areas where men face unfair treatment. I'm not a friend to any movement that thinks reinforcing discrimination, homophobia, or sexism are good things. If you had legitimate concerns about the treatment of men and wanted to actually do something about those concerns, you'd find me more than willing to entertain discussion and to try to help (if I agreed that the treatment was unfair), but if your only purpose here is going to be to throw around ignorance and insults, you'll find yourself no longer welcome.

Anonymous said...

i thought I was on topic this time. The definition was cut and pasted from elsewhere. You could have just deleted my insult instead of making a whole song and dance (not to mention topic) about it. Don't run a feminist blog on the bloody internet if you can't handle being called a mangina or misandrist.
My original question/insult was a fair one, what was it that made you decide to devote your life to the feminist cause?

Roy said...

i thought I was on topic this time.

That doesn't make "of substance" nor does it prevent it from being insulting and rude.

The definition was cut and pasted from elsewhere.

1. How, precisely, was I supposed to know that based on your post?
2. You are responsible for the things that you post here. If you chose to cut and paste the words, you're responsible for them, in so far as they're here.

You could have just deleted my insult instead of making a whole song and dance (not to mention topic) about it. Don't run a feminist blog on the bloody internet if you can't handle being called a mangina or misandrist.

Yes, I could have.
Instead, I chose to make a post about it. The really great thing about being me is that I can do whatever I want, and your opinion about what I should or shouldn't do on my site counts for, well, absolutely nothing.

I could just as easily point out: If you can't handle reading a feminist blog without acting like a jerk and being insulting, maybe you shouldn't visit them.

And I can handle being called names just fine. The beautiful thing about having my own space is that I don't have to tolerate it. If I go to your blog and you want to call me every insulting name in the book, there's nothing I can do about it except accept that it's your space, and you're free to be as big an asshole as you want there. Here, if I think you're an asshole, I don't have to put up with it.

My original question/insult was a fair one,

No, in fact, it was not "a fair one." It mocked and derided victims of child abuse, as though being a victim of child abuse is something to be ashamed of. That's not helping men- that's hurtful and ignorant towards the victims of abuse, both male and female. It was also ignorant, and asked me why I had choosen to be something I'm not. So, no, it's not a fair question, it was ignorant and hateful. I don't feel particularly inclined to entertain the questions of people who come to me in bad faith.

what was it that made you decide to devote your life to the feminist cause?

That's not the question that you asked. If you're actually interested in the question, I'd suggest reading my archives, or checking out this post.

Anonymous said...

thanks and goodnight, i'm now choosen to go to bed! peace

SarahMC said...

Aaaand "anonymous" has become overwhelmed. Couldn't handle your calm and rational response to him, so he decided to ignore it and peace out.
Why are some men so threatened by men who don't support the oppressive patriarchal model? Like striving to dismantle the dominance paradigm is "selling out."
Good riddance, fool.

assembling words to armory, she waits... said...

congrats, roy! you've officially been elevated to random jerkface cowardly off-topic offensive pointlesss remark-worthy status! here's your cookie ~ oh, wait, you're above all that bs. good for you. don't even bother engaging this troll. someone dumb enough to actually use the term mangina is that much beneath you.

schrödinger's cat said...

And isn't it ironic that you have two guys, one feminist, the other defending the masculine side, and... look which of them posts insulting stuff anonymously (so very brave!) and then backs out after he's challenged? (Perhaps he was just tired as he says, but the timing makes it look like he backed out.)

Chris Couture said...

Roy green is a mangina. The other day he apogised on behalf of men everywhere for the actions of jian gomeshi. He even sounded like he was going to cry. I immediately pictured him sitting on a toilet with his skirt hiked up while trying to firmly attach his maxi-pad.